fellas, lets get started * Retrieving #de-devchat info... * Heltak transforms into Serpentine Heltak Hsssssssssssst * Necatus has joined #de-devchat ok sounds good * BirdDragon changes topic to 'http://www.codemasters.com/dragonempires/uk/thegame/faq.php (**NEW CHANNEL #DE for when Dev Chat is on**) DE FAN's CHAT going on atm' * MonkeyDragon[with_Trout] slaps Necatus around a bit with a large trout still looking for that post of cals.............. * Heltak starts practacing with simulacra ok silence please =) * Heltak twirls and begins a blade dance start and I MIGHT stop I'll start by introducing myself for those that dont know me we all know who you are * MonkeyDragon[with_Trout] is now known as supersam mention clans and I slap my name is ExaviarIB on the forums, I'm a fan of DE and I'm also a reporter for DE stratics. * BirdDragon is now known as Exca_ That isnt especially long if you look at some of the guys/gals in here who have been around since januari and even earlier! So no, you aint alone omfg oops wrong paste >.< tonight's chat is dedicated to live fan interaction on important topics tweio the topics were posted in the forum really first, let me explain the rules * Heltak goes to check forum rule number 1, respect each other do not interupt others clan rule ok no or I will have to ask sam to turn into mute mode and have you submit questions to a QT k * Artaka_Chrest has joined #de-devchat * supersam sets mode: +m 2nd, do not interrupt others yeah so watch it * supersam sets mode: -m http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11764 heres Cals post about what we should talk about :) do it this way each person gets voiced in turn so each person has a chance to speak then devoice and move on so it goes kinda like this Exaic then View 1 from say sam then from Ark then Arts when did arts reappear In my opinion (as there's only 13 ppl on this chan) this could be organized without moderating * supersam sets mode: +o Artaka_Chrest I agree ;) especially since we are all rather familiar with each other ok we'll start the discussion with dungeons * Xenocide waves im new what are your thoughts, how do you want them, etc... believe me we had a smaller LG meeting we used voicing I think heltak will start us off on dungeons =) I hate you heltak what do you like about dungeons, how do you want them etc... * TDP|Shadowwolf has joined #de-devchat * Heltak slaps Exaiv with a large trout * ExaviarIB sets mode: -v Heltak Dungeons hmmmm * ExaviarIB sets mode: +v Heltak * supersam sets mode: +m mhm, its really about static ones versus dynamic ones * artimus has joined #de-devchat with this i mean * supersam sets mode: -m does the dungeon stay the same, or is it generated each time anew when a player or a group of players enter you know thats annoying not you arts the mode changes in my opinion static dungeons would be better yes why but they should be diverse well, atmospherically well look at it this way as then they could contain something really cool, and they would really fit the world yep, exca is right if we had dynamic dungeons wouldnt it take ages to code each possible version thats pretty true thats difficult to achieve with automatically generated ones and if there are multi dungeons that severalmonths / years to code Heltak actually, dynamic dungeons are quite easy to do :) nope, coding shouldnt be difficult but its about atmosphere well coding a different layout they can use variations of the same code that's like D2 we dont need to talk technical stuff here thats the dev's problem anyone with an opinion, feel free to jump in at any moment I swear I know the Durance of Hate level 2's off by heart k what are your thoughts on dungeon positioning? the thing with dynamic how do you want it? I say evolving dungeons say some parts static I know asheron's call failed at placing dungeons, you could run and in middle of nowhere find a portal to 1 it would be cool if a dungeon could be so that there's no monsters as every monster has been killed already thats just annoying the thing is really what the dungeon is for Mines leveling right, good idea but then you'd have to set a respawn timer if the dungeon is for a quest you do once with Gobolins! then a static one is alright nah idea stemming from Ad&d actually they should have both dynamic and static static are big ones it was something like Under Mount Doom if the dungeon is for "leveling" then dynamic ones are better suited i think you could keep adding levels like all the way to level 50 and you have a possiblilty of finding random placed dynamic one hmm, I'm not sure if there should even be dungeons.. I mean, who made all those huuuge dungeons in every game? hmm I think some Dungeons should EXPAND and once all the monsters are killed in the dynamic ones they disapear some caves would be alright think If a Gobo group and a new one spawns randomly set up a mine wont some shafts collapse Second: we are talking about dungeons which reappear dynamically and others be opened * artimus1 has joined #de-devchat * artimus1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) * artimus1 has joined #de-devchat or about dungeons in one place altering shape thats quite a difference thats what I said well, the monsters don't need to dissappear, as they have memories as to who killed them, and if they get killed enough they should migrate away from the dungeon so almost a LoTR style dungeon? ? * artimus has quit IRC (Ping timeout) explain where the orcs took over the mines? yeah * artimus1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) * artimus1 has joined #de-devchat but have bits of it get remodled yes but would that be remodeled per entry or per patch well, it should be up to the mob ai to decide to move to a dungeon per patch well per patch is too spaced or up to a dm gm no think about it and per entry is quite close so perhaps if a cave were to be modded it would take time every month month and a half well colapses would be fast bah chat comes in fits and starts :/ as its a bunch of rocks blocking an entrance Artaka, do you think monster AI (the migration path) would allow them to move toa dungeon brb * Arkzein has quit IRC (Quit: ) * ExaviarIB sets mode: -v Heltak meh exa, thats a good question *makes a note for Cal*' Arts = Cal ? shock horror dungeons are "good" points for zoning hmm.. * Arkzein has joined #DE-devchat wait 2 secs and i dont know if monsters can travel across zones Artaka_Chrest there isn't going to be zoning if I remember right :) Ex no, i am not calistas says arts or im going to slap you yeah hel =) oh, there is zoning I'll say arty k actually it should be Hell or Hell Cow King zoning is bad they said "almost" no zoning but not much "zoning" well yes but dungeons are perfect for zoning * DragonReborn has joined #de-devchat going back to D2 they are going to be required for it that has "zones" there are things like water separating empires though? king of hard to travel past that yeah, thast what i said but there connected really quickly Hi all now that I come to think it, I really hate dungeons :) lo :) hi dragon well got a Quick Question.. how will dungeons be working.. layers like UO or just a big maze? ABOUT DUNGEONS AGAIN a Dungeon isn't just a cave or underground guys, try to stay on topic it could be a forest oooh filled with monsters what is the topic? forests are nice look Arts on topic and off topic mean the same to me i know heltak, thats the problem the key word is TOPIC "I belive that monsters will not leave the dungeons." - Markz * supersam changes topic to 'http://www.codemasters.com/dragonempires/uk/thegame/faq.php (**NEW CHANNEL #DE for when Dev Chat is on**) DE FAN's CHAT going on atm TOPIC Dungeons!' so, its prudent to assume monsters will not enter either I think the topic is dungeons Monsters should BREED in dungeons no thanks Heltak and eventually some spill out to pillage now that would be a funny site but in my opinion dungeons shouldn't be so that when you near enough to the cave/forest/whatever you suddenly warp into a dungeon the nearby lands sight :) well how would you place them exca what 2 gobos * supersam changes topic to 'Dragon Empires FAN's CHAT going on atm **TOPIC is Dungeons!**' no, you should have to enter them they should be hidden in the 69 position ? they should be so that you could just walk in forest, and suddenly noticing that it's all dark in there and you can't even see the sky from the trees and webs dont forget HUGE webs and some dead animals * ExaviarIB slaps Heltak around a bit with a large trout its more about the general idea of a dungion hmm dead animals sounds good * TDP|Shadowwolf kicks helly in the nuts we already know the world will be very detailed * Heltak eats ExaivarIB true Live animals sounds better, like rats :) lets not talk about doodads ad bats just yet careful DR, we'll get ROUS LOL * Heltak slaps room rodents of unusual size YES Dire Spiders! a HUGE ChinChilla!! PLEASEEEEEEE wtf Wolves * supersam sets mode: +m ok we seem to be digressing thx np therein, let us proceed to the next topic it would be cool also if monsters would check the close outerior of the "dungeon" so that even moving on near a cave could lure a huge bear to attack you this topic will be ebaying of characters/accounts (items too) * artimus1 has left #de-devchat should you have thoughts, PM any of the mods and we will voice you actually PM Sam or Exca thx * ExaviarIB sets mode: +v Xenocide Ah ok WEll my opinion would be no * artimus has joined #de-devchat * Heltak has left #de-devchat For general chatter you can join #de when you think about it alot of the ebaying going on in other MMOG's comes from duping * TDP|Shadowwolf has left #de-devchat and that in itself ruins the economy * supersam sets mode: -m So unless codemasters can assure no duping then people will expoilt it Please behave guys, thx and sel thier exploits ok anyone else have thoughts (thanks Art) * artimus has left #de-devchat If EQ shows us anything, it's that no matter how hard you try, you're not going to eliminate it entirely (ebaying, that is) i think we should leave the cheating for now alone * artimus has joined #de-devchat * ExaviarIB sets mode: -v Xenocide well it depends on how much they where going for (as calistas has said there arnt going to be Super Items, so that may effect the price) there is a lot of ebaying going on without cheats in my opionion selling chars at ebay is ok if its like £2 errm $3 for a sword its a waste of time trying to stop it Yes i agree on selling chars true, item decay and lack of super items should stop a lot of it, but there will always be some I would think that it can't be stopped, so CM should allow not just it but actually provide a more secure service for it. try and cut down on the scamming thats a pretty good idea the selling of chars is cheating (in my eyes) they say that item decay won't be while an item is in a bag or storage just when worn what are your thoughts on a CM supported site for selling/trading of accounts well, they only cheat on themselves, super yep ExaviarIB it depends, real money or game money? very good question real money that would be okay as long as CM didn't make a profit off of items they put on there it would be the first company i think to do that * supersam changes topic to 'Dragon Empires FAN's CHAT going on atm **TOPIC is Ebay and selling items/chars!**' I agree that selling anything on auction sites is cheating but it's going to happen yes well, CM is using man power to run the site, they would require a small percentile to be made you cant really stop it because its so disoqrganized they could have a separate site for selling things with game money, that has already been suggested on the forums i dont agree thats customer support hmm, selling directly with real money would be quite bad for the reputation of the company I think the best way to handle it is to implement systems that discourage using things you haven't earned true but i'm talking about them putting items and wat not on the auctions themselves to make extra cash ITem decay is one of those systems I think that it would be better if you could buy credits, which then would be used to buy chars/accounts ah, o that would fade the difference between real money and characters nope, I wouldn't like CM to do that my only problem with selling accounts is that when you can sell, it turns the game into a job true yes thats happens already this can spoil the gaming community Cal has already said their against it (were talking about UO boosted chars) and you cannot prevent it and thats where i was headed with duping * tapi0 has joined #de-devchat "it's not stupid who sells, but the one who buys" as some wise dude said :) I've known many people who work online games like a job I did it while I was in UO and it's takes to many hours to build up a char just to sell it So, its really about the following question: should CM allow for outgame selling of items and accounts I sold my EQ account when I left just to cover part of the actual game purchases I had made with expansions and so forth and the guy turned around and made a profit selling items offline sounds like a good idea ah, figured one good solution, having a server with characters that could be sold? items yes accounts no I'll go for a firm yes this looks like: buying selling with game money is ok buying selling with real money is not ok yes does that sum it up? yep yep * supersam vote ;) yes or no (i want at least 5 votes) you cant stop it though but how to you stop the selling with real money? :/ of course you cant I said yes no no thats why I would argue its better to embrace it, but cut out the scams the only part where real money should be involved in a game is the price you pay for the game but this is about CM position in all of it true I think it ruins the game if simply "buy" into it The only way to truely embrace it is to set up your our auction site yes But Exca people can awlays sell passwords its about what they should support and theres nothing CM can do I agree with xeno Xeno is right we dont need to talk about CM monitoring ebay to get rid of account sellings unless they ban sold accounts, there is hardly anything they can do agreed and honestly anyone can sell what they want as long as its thiers they did pay foor it hmm if CM were to endorse selling items / accounts with real money, it would seem as though they value their richer customers more, and generally be bad for their reputation * Guest has joined #de-devchat on the items part for real money there really is nothing they can do, accounts they could prob do something but there would still be a lot of scams and selling/ trading what's the main reason for people bying accounts? * Guest is now known as Azrayel Since we agreed on the offline items selling/reselling With what I just said, setting up a CM auction site, you don't have to monitor ebay. The fans and subscribers will stay on the game site because it's easier to get a high-level character fast? * Azrayel is now known as LG|Azrayel the man reason is they have money but not the time to play lo all How about an in game auction hour :) lo az house what would you think about a server for no-time-to-play-much -players? lo m8 I think in the beginning the main reason is to get an account, then later it turns into making a profit from selling items and accounts with fast leveling in the beginning? hey got a quick idea liek an ingame auction hour bu like an auction area in game house hi azray yep In game auction location seems to work well also Whos gonna plus @ me? :) LOL So ebay like have a spot and let people leave how much theyd pay for it and winner gets is a place that is separate from the rest of the game would be nice for an auction location hmm, I would like fleecemarket? (dunno the english word) instead of auctioning Not really a big issue in my opinion it would give time to look for the items that are sold FleeMarket * Heltak has joined #de-devchat yes :) nice to see you're back heltak and let peopel set up shops omg but not in-game auction hour, that kills RPing yes Xeno well, there's already the market system for traders / crafters, I don't see why it couldn't be extended (assuming it isn't already) for other items * Heltak turns away from Xeno We HAVE SHOPS! yeah agreed Ned well i meant like various items that arnt manufacturable yeah right I like the idea of having a forum to flog your goods on, maybe an ingame built in one would be great, Calista said something about crafted items sold to some main dude whos like the marketplace guy well, eventually higher level crafters will be coveted people That's what I'm talking about as well yep, shouldnt be too difficult to dig the info out of the database and post it online on a marketplace no NO BARTER BOARDS PLEASE hmmm so am i right in that most of you dont want Ebaying even though you cant see a way to stop it? it just turns into PC screaming doesnt help one bit I can ENCRYPTION right sam in asheron's call 2, the higher level crafters were sought out and paid tocraft high end items im not screaming brb topic stick to it ExaviarIB same thing is in runescape exa, which is perfectly cool Encrypt chars etc to the PC except that there's also smithers doesnt work that wouldn't be good heltak if you got a new pc though. coughcraftingsucksonrsyoumeanSMITHSANDMINERS!coughcoughcough sure doesn't for example with smithing lvl 99 you can do the most powerfull weapon of the game but back to ebaying, so general concensus is YES or NO No for what? Or if you are like me and play the same account at different location home/work then have a GM change it somehow Exca Not that its a big issue for selling of accounts/characters/items Ip dosen't work either, or CC/DD acount numbers yes Heltak? having someone being able to make 500 WFesq Items in 5 mins will cause massive inflation/deflation and the economy will collapse and become like Diablo 2's inflation is good tis bad Heltak ofcourse the items need their resources look at D2's eco the majority said no to the allowing Ebay thing, but yes to allowing a CM controlled way of doing the same thing But we want the gold to retain a certain value Januarty 2002 i think we can take part of the item issue off ebay with creating a CM supported item offline trading site isn't D2 full of hacking and duping (never played it) Shaftstop - 5 soj + yeah artaka i agree let's take d2 for example. You need to have perfect gems to have the ultimate weapons Now after Pinda Bot and perfect gems are really hard to acquire LOL I started that idea :P no there not 40 chips = 1 soj 40 perfs = 1 soj well, takes a long time to get.. nope Man stop dwelling on the past Diablo 2 is dead ah, back to DE Hell cow runs atleast for me did :) no its not This is DE ok next topic D2 is bloody alive and screaming New horizons and new possibilities yea, just took an example yes next please * supersam sets mode: +m next Topic is....... next please * Partsa has left #de-devchat Exaviar, what is the next one? the next topic is PKing/PK ratings * supersam sets mode: -m d should we have a rating board? I think the PK system should be very dynamic * Exca_ changes topic to 'Dragon Empires FAN's CHAT going on atm **TOPIC is PKing/PK ratings**' bloody hell * Exca_ sets mode: +m * Exca_ sets mode: -m oops OI lol maybe class and lvl specific sam already abuses that Pking omfg LOL ok pk ratings change that word to GANKING NK mmmm but won't it be outlaw points, so killing venerated mobs will also put it up and Griefing actually lets start with PK rating then move to PKing okay whats the current situation on bistanderds? are we talking about outlaw points? * supersam slaps LG|Azrayel around a bit with a large trout PKing is Player Killing the END of PVP * supersam sets mode: +o LG|Azrayel I would really love to see pking be like in real world :) Greifing, Nking and Ganking are what you all mean I wanna see like the most wanted man of this certain empire like every week theres a most wanted man on a billboard and like you get extra bounty if you kill him on that soil the end of PvP? Exca Pking IRL is named Murder what you guys think? Heltak I know :) I agree with heltak... Exca omg thats a new 1 * Artaka_Chrest sets mode: +m =) k oh hehe Outlaw boards? send questions to art, exca, or sam Yeah but let me ellaborate? (questions, thoughts, comments) elaborate plz =) PLEASE stay on topic, it doesnt do us any good if we keep on drifting off topic, thx * Artaka_Chrest sets mode: -m ok well as I see it clans gonna wanna lower certain cities ratings, lets think of Robin Hood for instance of there enemies ok Well the Sherrif of notingham Imposed like a certain bounty on robins head He was like known So if you think about it Every empire night guys :) Is gonna have a robin hood :) * DragonReborn has left #de-devchat ffs A certain dude who terrorises the soil I'll simplify my irl pvp point for a bit: You could kill someone without no one seeing it and just get out of it without any consequences can we stop abusing our admin powers There should be like a bilboard or a wanted poster about if we abused admin powers we'd have set +m and voiced everyone but you. could you stop spamming for a while Or a town cryer i like that exca....just as long as it didn't happen to me :) That tells you the most wanted guy no Artaka in the empire I opionionise what are your veiws on a Outlawer Board which tells you which outlaws are in that area?????? it comes from Religious Ed sorry am i deviating? I'd welcome a top outlaw board (per city maybe, per empire would be huge) but also a top bounty hunter one as well not a score board Outlaw Board = Newbie Crying Area Nah thats like a radar home in like i don't like that and if someone would see someone killing you then the person could for example, tell the dragon and you would get for example 'suspicious' rating @supersam: the radar does that kind of radar @exca: nope wouldnt work please tell me im hearing that wrong Artaka_Chrest might be so, but I would like it :) yeah thats for bounty hunters isnt it? you kill someone, you get outlaw points, period and thats only fair do traders get one? wait radar? oh Artaka_Chrest that's what I said right? but if you kill someone in self defencew depends on their skils WHY do you become an outlaw and mob trackers? I thought people could track mobs too if the traders are bounty hunters to thats pointless to the MAX yep, they can remove the radar period different skill set What are the chances of the most respected man of the city and the most wanted man and clans choose this with an ingame function and the bounty for the wanted person is like deposited in by the city governer? it removes from Realism k, ty :) because if you kill someone in their empire you get an outlaw rating but think a person killing in SD is justified if you kill them in your empire your doing the right thing * supersam heltak is right about the radar and so should not become a criminal u wouldnt... radars make games too easy it a skill though the radar system is very skill point heavy killing should be like that if you are in a town (daytime?) and just start random slaughter then some quards would come and start attacking you Skill point radar yeah a skill in a sense is good omfg which means, you have to invest a lot of points to gain any use I hope Cik never learns of this heh to be fair, not much has officially been said about the radar, for all we know it could just give a general direction he knew of the radar all along but it just represents tracing skill, not a radar in your hand tracking* the higher the skill the more people you'll be able to see? good hmm, radar sounds too high-tech heres a thought: if there is a radar, should there be a skill to hide you from it? what about rough map? but thats pointless IE rogue skilsl and etc... nah compass people should get aCARTOGRAPHER skill RATING map and compass would be quite good to create maps as they go PK RATING well Compass points north silence Arts * supersam back to topic ppl if you invest time and effort into tracking others shouldnt be able to avoid just coz they rogues well we are on topic were talking about tracking which is linked to Pkism it wouldn't be good if you could see where a person is.. ala Rs "The compass / radar topic has been discussed a few times. I believe that a radar will be available and its function will be dependent on the level of skill in that area. So for example you might have the ability to track a particular monster. The distance that your radar works to, the number of monsters it displays and the accuracy of their positions will depend on your level. Apart from that it sounds similar to what you're suggessting with characters with a stealth skill higher than your radar skill not appearing on your radar. Unless they're making a lot of sound and making themselves clearly visible." - DiscoStu well lets go back to PK rating maybe just a general direction then thx no not even a general direction thanks Neca. * supersam PK RATINGS or i cut your radar off and he has the cheek to say MY TYPING SKILLZ WERE BAD pk rating now how will this exactly work? and what does pk rating even mean? the amount of people killed? nothing really we are talking about the outlaw points i believe or how much your wanted? yes art it would just be a boast board Are we talking about a separate pk rating from an overall outlaw rating here? nope, arkzein AC2 had an interesting system of PK rating well pk denotes to killing thats the same but outlawry is more raiding and shit whilst I cannot say it was the best, it was better than nothing not just killing and raping @exa, tell us I got to go ok heltak later hmm, I think that outlaw points should be gathered only when killing someone near a city or in a city you better later hel I blame Exaiv for starting at a shitty time seeya az =) cya heltak. later dude and get a better av PLEASE lool k you wasted half our time =) anyhow topic for killing someone in wilderness couldn't be proved anyway ffs the way I view a PK rating is this a monster could have killed the person for example you kill venerated animals always flamed * Heltak walks off dejectedly and people Veneration omfg what a bad idea * Heltak has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) that would raise your rating you then can go to a board in town and brag about your kills I think I like Exca_s idea now i think about it this would allow the bounty hunters to know whom to go after and in which empire Then we could outlaw ratings localised in city boards rather than empire boards, hence clan bounties etc automatic counter sys. would be better. people can always make up stuff just a thought if outlaw points were only acumulated near cities, all the outlaws would simply move away from them and kill traders with no danger of being killed by bounty hunters right @arkzein: outlaws will be empire wide also venerated monsters could hang around cities making them more dangerous to hunt isn't the outlaw rating bound to dragons? like the dragons determine if you're a outlaw or not already talked about, we had a big discussion with a lot of people voting for city outlawship yeah, but the outlaw boards could be city locaised ;) as they can see the areas around towns quite well from the air alright, but they would be the same for all cities within an empire ok now to PKin *PKing should there be a penalty for killing weaker players? mmm thus requiring a very long list of outlaws :/ there is no PKing in DE ;) how stiff of a penalty nice answer no penalty, why should there be? :) nope ark, just keep the top 5 or top 10 or however many top ones the only people being killed are people in a PvP role, thereby accepting the risk they're taking... bah, then theres little point, the top 5 would find a way to stay there, nothing would ever change.... I think we should have the most wanted man of an empire and the most respected, maybe a portrait with wanted written under it and the poster is up like next to the bounty hunter npc :) * artimus has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) * WNxGhostShadow has quit IRC (Quit: ) hmm, what century is this based on? we should be careful with zones most respected being the bounty hunter with most outlaw kills and most wanted being biggest outlaw? the pvp "zones" are already in this game via the roles yeah @exa yeah true art implementing geographical pvp zones as well is, erm, strange... so a punishment for killing a weaker opponent is not required then cough cough AC2's PVP zones SUCKED seek refuge of a clan oh, there is already a kind of punishment (sorry AC2 = my last MMORPG so I have to bash it) you dont get any xp got idea for outlaw points Artaka_Chrest I was just about to say that :) heeh dont think of them as like 1 2 and 3 my uber leet posting skillls ;) and you lose some of your valuable time but the weaker the player the amout of outlaw points he is worth I have to get ready for my date in 15 mins =) hehe :) therefore it would be alot more woth while to kill the stronger players good fight, good night ;) it would be cool though that a group of newbies could kill a very powerfull character when attacking him in a group ok we'll go open forum now. but if they would just randomly attack him they couldn't even scratch him anyone have any questions or topics for discussion exactly yes calistas I agree exca Magic talk about calistas we need another time frame for the next fan chat ;) yeah petition for his now PC new* good point its 1.30 am right now, and i am f*cking tired yeah whos gonna make the petition? wow yeah it's 2:12 umm ok we'll make 1 chat at 4 PM est and I don't know if I'm tired :) whatever ;) and 1 later in the US that'll be 9 PM UK time well, two.. 12:16 and still have to get ready to go out (while still isck >.<) So what have we learnt :-) are you sure hmm, why just don't make some of ppl to move with the speed of light :) that would solve the time problem i mean there have not ben so many people who attended this one I agree lack of advertising must have part of it and I will also admit, this was bumpy since it is open forum get cal to put it on the newletter and have it ever month or 2 weeks there will be loads then newsletter == good idea it will be the friday 1 week after newsletter comes out as on dev-chats most of the ppl come when reading the server messages judging by the hit increase I saw when I got site of the week, the best way to reach the de audience would probably be the newsletter yeah is a good idea yeah, I'll ask stratics to make a server wide message where is the newsletter of today? * magik has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) ooops ok, exaviar, do you want me to ask Cal, or do you want to do that yourself damn, I've read wrong :) newsletter was last week ? up to you art new dev diary was today :) k, i will mail him thanks just give me the exact date and times alright, any other ideas for chat before we end? yea moderated the topic thing was baaad it will be at 4 PM Est 1 week after the 1st newletter of the month comes out true exca free conversation but it gave us a relative idea what to discuss that would be good as far as moderation... like what you like about the new pics etc. Magic what do we know about magic? Will everyone learn the same magic or will it be limited to people who choose certain options eg black mag or white mag? free discussion = hard with moderation well, the newsletter will provide us with enough to talk about ExaviarIB it depends what you mean with moderation especially the new graphix engine moderation, as in +m mode with voicing people bad behavior and insults can be easily blocked in free conversation and there should be more magic is items based to an extent, certain items let you cast certain spells ExaviarIB in my opinion moderation should be left to devchats :) 1 sec going to try a little teste experiment (I agree exca) yeah same here (with exca) mhm, exca in theory you are right * ExaviarIB sets mode: +m * ExaviarIB sets mode: +v Ahroun * ExaviarIB sets mode: +v Arkzein * supersam sets mode: +vvv Daed[Combine] Necatus tapi0 * ExaviarIB sets mode: +v Daed[Combine] * supersam sets mode: +v Xenocide but you noticed as well, discussion was getting more difficlut * ExaviarIB sets mode: +v Xenocide I'd welcome a top outlaw board (per city or per empire) but also a top bounty hunter one as well heres the petition btw :) good so you can voice more that 1 person Artaka_Chrest, in my opinion not I could easily follow the discussion oops wrong paste soz 3 max per time but maybe that's because I have huge experience in ircing :) thats probably it :) I could follow it * supersam learns for exca but I have to admit, at times it was hard http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11898 theres the petition :) i just think , there should be a result to each topic discussed hmm hmmh well, maybe we finns are just good listeners :) which is difficult if people are discussing D2 and other stuff parallel to our own discussion agreed it was only an example but heltak is ... and it makes the chat worthwhile heltak is special =) yeah * magik has joined #de-devchat heltak is junior member :) * Exca_ sets mode: -m Hes not disabled! Hes special! lol I was tempted to voice everyone but him * supersam sets mode: +v magik because talking about DE i can do everyday on irc i dont need a fan chat at 1 am yeah true but this was the general point so, let me just clarify my point about smits making the ultimate weapons (which sorry its so late for you) * supersam sets mode: -ooo Necatus tapi0 Xenocide hmmmmm and I take runescape (like always) as an example :/ the best sword in free version is rune 2-handed sword * supersam sets mode: -vvv Necatus tapi0 Xenocide * supersam sets mode: -vvv Arkzein Daed[Combine] magik to make it you need to get 3 rune barsw * supersam sets mode: -v Ahroun ok, then , have fun talking, i am off sleeping which are made from rune ores + 6 coals lol later man off to sleep thanksfor joining damn grammar l8r art me sleep after exca yeah, hey no problem :) nn :) ;) cya m8 cu later :) * Artaka_Chrest has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) and in order to melt em you need to have 84 smithing (takes about ~6 months really active playing to achieve) k * supersam changes topic to 'http://www.codemasters.com/dragonempires/uk/thegame/faq.php (**NEW CHANNEL #DE for when Dev Chat is on**) ' and now that you have the bars you can smith em hey I have to head out...sorry... but to make a 2-handed sword you need to have 94 smithing (99 is the max) but again thanks everyone for joining us have a good evening enjoy yourselves and good night. l8r cya exav and after you made it you can be proud owner of a rare sword sorry not more attended, and sorry not much was accomplished but the bad thing is that you need to have attack over 40 or 50 to use it * ExaviarIB sets mode: -o ExaviarIB count it as a learning experience, and we got a few tpoics discussed well between the spam :) ie two characters exca? noo next time, I've voicing everyone except heltak. you can have good attack and good smithing on a same char and he'll have to send questions to a QT to be voiced. ok g'night actually, you can have all good skills k cya m8 someone to make one thing that other used to make the item a thrid person then uses? so whats your point dude sleepy time soon :-) but it would take around ~3 years to achieve 99 in all just takes ages to have all those skills on 1 char * ExaviarIB has left #de-devchat DE will be like that a bit Arkzein atm rs has maybe ~10 smithes who are lvl 99 I used to be one of the best smiths ~1 year ago :) coal and iron to make steel, steel to make sword which can be upgraded with 3 slots with lvl 55 and I had played for 10 months to achieve that :) I like the idea of never finishing a char :) * Zanthrick has joined #de-devchat yea, that's nice you can always train some skill to higher I would like to see that kind of economy in de.. I wanna see some gameplay shots we'll have to discuss skill caps next time, make sure the devs know how we feel :) arfff when is jonric going to put those images online yeah I'm sure devs got it all worked out already though :) I just wanna see my outlaw poster up in town so i know who to hunt :) still, its best to keep pumping our views in, you never know :) true hmm I think it would be better if something in a char would tell if his a outlaw or not sam what you think? I have a feeling the dungeon debate will get pretty heated when the time comes...... I still wonder why to have separate dungeons yeah cool ..... I think most were in favour of outlaw board/pics ;) I would like to see town pics yeah I just always pictured them as separate underground caverns the pics I have seen so far aren't what I have been expecting Least gives people some idea of a real town exca i asked a few months backs The marketing people like mountains they havent finshed them off 8-( or so says prodigy :P but I have seen the 'possible' box images :) they have prolly changed :) as the survey was moved to further time looked good did they? 2 and 5 look good :) heh, as long as some looked good I'm happy :) hmm.. I wonder if I can say that little comment about the two images Cant wait for this game, I have never looked forward to a game more then DE yeah its gunna be amazing *wiggles* i want to see the specs they want though What type of character everyone gonna have? shhhhh exca is going to speak about forbidden knowledge....... well i'm off cya all later heh, I don't even look forward for de * supersam waves cya nn :) * supersam has quit IRC (Quit: ) Exca I don't look forward for any game id have to say MAGE then I will disappoint for sure I'm gonna be a mage/crafter/trader Are you in Alpha testing? mage/outlaw me? not I have to look forward to DE, no other game even slightly tickles my fancy Mage/alchemist/bounty hunter only devs are in alpha testing lol no, just runs a site I think that codies have their own alphatesting team they send the box survey out then cancelled it yep I heard different nec :) that's true Arkzein :) hmm I forget the name of their testing people, quality assessment dept i think then you heard wrong, unless Cal mentioned something here I'll reveal something: twins hmmmm heh, I got some nice info about monkey empire when call accidentally pasted wrong data :) makes me think its got something to do with lore.......... lol Hoooorlix Hot chocolate tastes good lol lucky you too bad I can't add the last line to my site's empire section :/ makes me wish I had time to keep logs of the chat channels like I used to Exca do tell :) you do well enough, all those quotes............ naah me no tell really useful :) :) I already said twins lol is my site too gray? heh still no one can beat me at your games ;) heyy I made another game have you tried it? its got a white backround for me now, ill try and fix Arkzein change your style in profile ive been sick for weeks, havent been to any fan site in ages as the old styles were deleted I did, it was white and black before :P ah.... http://exca.hellfish.org/unnamed/unnamed.html << new game *cracks fingers* ;) is it the scrolling box one from ages ago? nope it has no dragons music ^_^ yea, ripped from one nes game :) that game is crazy kk lets see......... bah 33 first try :( 51...... I have never gone past 55 :/ it requires reflexes faster than 90ms to be able to get over :) bah reflexes, and me sick as a dog and its 12:46 am........... ;) so, is the site too gray? Ark that time is completly corrct bah clicking on that link closed it, 2 secs 12:27 now :) yep 47* 12:47 I'll check this log sometime tomorrow need to get some sleep it's 2:44 am :) Speaking of sites, what do you think? - http://de.compendious.net/temp/news.asp mmm I liked the old backround a lot more I liked the old one more also the white and black one compendius is looking good the one with mage in menu yeah, I like the new layout :) lol a lot changed in 2 weeks away........ I'm prolly going to do my site layout once again on x-mas holiday :) this time without any tables only css css good idea tried that, but it's too much of a pain getting it to work in all browsers without tables now you can edit the fonts, color etc with css on my site :) Necatus that's true heh don't look at me, I'm clueless. Dropped comps a while ago :) especially ns 4.7 but 99% of my site's users have >ie5.0 >ns6 or mozilla/opera yeah, same here hmm.. only 206 visits in december so far oh crap I'm meant to go out at 1. I'd best be off. Cyas on the boards :) cya heh that will pick up as we near beat, tenfold :) bye :) * Arkzein has quit IRC (Quit: ) http://cod.hellfish.org/stats/exca/ my server stats :) but I'm off to sleep before clock goes to 3am :) cya * Disconnected Session Close: Sat Dec 14 02:50:11 2002